The foreword to “Generations of Exclusion” is written by Joan Moore, who was associate director of UCLA’s Mexican American Study Project, which surveyed spanish-surnamed whites (most of them not first-generation immigrants themselves) in San Antonio and Los Angeles in 1965. Moore makes clear that there was a political impetus behind the project, seeking to change the perception of “hispanics” (not yet counted as a census category) or “Chicanos” (as she, but not Telles & Ortiz, refers to them) from quaint rural “ethnics” to a marginalized urban racial “minority”, tying them into the black-focused civil rights struggle and Lyndon Johnson’s war on poverty. Part of their efforts were in the face of many Chicanos themselves, she notes that in San Antonio they were “proudly Latin Americans” and advertised their restaurants as serving “Spanish” fare. “Local euphemisms” is her term for it, too closely associated with a middle class white image of respectability. The embrace by young militants of the “Chicano” label “embarrassed” many of the older generation, but sometimes you have to embarrass a few fogies. I lay that out not to spark discussion of how they should be classified or perceived, but to indicate how invested the researchers were in the results of their project. Boxes of records containing the surveys were uncovered behind a bookcase in 1993, and the study became longitudinal. Much had changed over the decades, and many of Moore’s predictions about the fate of the net generations were falsified and she was “deeply disturbed” by the findings. Unlike Robert Putnam, the researchers did not sit on their findings. Nobody can blame a cabal of academics of fabricating global warming intergenerational mobility data. But almost nobody is aware of it either. In popular discourse these findings aren’t even used, much less abused. Perhaps for all the debate over immigration, people just don’t care. The People are to blame.
September 21, 2010
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September 22, 2010 at 12:00 pm
That’s interesting. I should probably read the actual book.
In the paper “Is The New Immigration Really So Bad?,” David Card observed “second generation sons and daughters have higher education and wages than the children of natives.” But Telles and Ortiz pointed out “educational attainment peaks among second generation children of immigrants, but declines for the third and fourth generations.” I wonder what Card’s source was. Did he only have stats on the second generation, or was he deliberately omitting?
September 22, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Card is looking at children of post-1965 immigration. Telles & Ortiz were using a survey that interviewed people who were already in the country at that time and generally not immigrants themselves. This gave them more total generations to analyze. Also, looking at one generational change and extrapolating probably fits good-enough-for-government-work standards.
September 23, 2010 at 11:33 pm
It’s a good book.
In general, I have a high opinion of social scientists.
October 5, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I find the ideological capture of the profession and their middlebrow opposition (Mr. Sailer, I think you regularly break out of that box by being so weird and novelistically multi-voiced in your critiques) a shitty problem. We don’t need epistemology brahmins and epistemology lower castes -we need optimized epistemology IMO, and the public theatre does seem to me to constrain our global production of social scientific insight.
September 24, 2010 at 1:54 am
“In general, I have a high opinion of social scientists.”
Well, I’ll be damned. Or is that irony? Isn’t sociology about explaining social phenomena using other social phenomena, while your bread and butter is going beyond social explanations?
September 26, 2010 at 9:36 pm
There’s a tendency within sociology that resist’s E. O. Wilson’s idea in “Consilience”. But I don’t think it’s universally the case for all sociologists.
September 24, 2010 at 1:56 am
And not only sociology.
September 24, 2010 at 2:40 pm
The people that complain the loudest about words influencing our attitudes, are the most blind to the influences on themselves. I’ve noticed this.
September 30, 2010 at 5:23 pm
My totally unscientific explanation: I’ve noticed that as well, and I suspect those people tend to have a strongly external locus of control and a tendency not to self-reflect.
They tend to be all about dealing with and influencing other people in social contexts, and not especially good at thinking things through or uncovering their own errors / biases.
October 23, 2010 at 9:56 am
Interesting review of national security organizations in the USA using social scientists (yeah I know there’s a bias, but the compilation is interesting).
http://homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/dprice/all.html