I’ve got a number of posts I’ve been thinking about writing, but they’ll be delayed for now. It will likely be a few days as there are some things I really need to get around to doing.
At first I thought I wouldn’t add the Odessa Syndicate to my blogroll even though they put me on theirs. I figured linking to Mencius Moldbug and Robert Lindsay was enough, as combining them results in something a lot like it. Rethinking things, I decided they really are unusual enough to merit it. Most racialists on the internet really do seem to have nothing but contempt for the left and wouldn’t bother considering any ideas of merit that it has to offer while their own vision often seems to simply consist of the America we already know but consisting only of white people. Prozium picks out some of the very worst ideas the left has to offer (though to his credit he doesn’t seem to think much of old-style nationalism), but I’ll give him points for novelty. Ian Jobling at the Inverted World tries to position their eternally impotent movement as “true liberals”, but that’s tired and second-hand. I’m all for progressives giving back up the name “liberal”, but I’ve grown sick of all the positioning as “the good guys” or the “side of the angels“. Back from that digression, I suppose Bill White might be somewhat similar to what Odessa imagines, but he really just seems like an attention-whoring bullshitting asshole than the representative of any ideology to me. He’s called himself a “utopian anarchist” and “libertarian socialist”, which I don’t think gels with the Odessa synthesis. Since I talk about Vox Day a lot, I’ll add him to the roll as well. I look forward to when TIA becomes a downloadable pdf, as I don’t really feel like paying for it. I’ve got some other blogs I’m thinking of adding to the roll, but that’s for another day and another post.
I notice that in his most recent post Prozium echoes UR in stating that conservatism/the right always loses (on the bright side we can look forward to less of the right-triumphalism wrought by fall of the Soviets, with Fukuyama’s hegelianism and talk of having “won the battle of ideas”, while occasionally imbibing in nostalgia which I admit is still enjoyable). I wouldn’t put it so absolutely, and I can imagine another plausible historical narrative in which liberalism/the left always loses (I have to read Gabriel Kolko’s Triumph of Conservatism some day, and maybe some anarchist and deviationist communist literature as well) which sites like A Tiny Revolution, the Defeatists, Stop Me Before I Vote Again and others of an IOZian bent seem to be pushing. At any rate, if libertarianism is to be judged by the growth of the state (which I think it is), it has certainly lost. I agree with Tyler Cowen that that’s largely going to be a function of technology so it’s not surprising that they will pretty much constantly lose, but I disagree with him (and Keynes) about their ideas being important and I’m also less optimistic about the future. My capitulation is a bitter one. I don’t believe in any and don’t see myself in any way related to a side of the angels, and I’ve dropped the last vestiges of a “Whig theory of history” for a verdict of absurd (I’ll highlight a blog pushing a starker version of that than mine in a later post). Modern conservatism, libertarianism, liberalism/progressivism will all lose. The winner might be termed “idiocracy”, but Mike Judge’s is the entertaining version while the more realistic one is Phillip Longman’s Return of Patriarchy, though of course the second law of thermodynamics indicates that the ultimate result will be the heat death of the universe. My lack of optimism seems to indicate one of Bryan Caplan’s four biases, but I would still like to enlist Caplan on my side against Cowen by pointing to his The Totalitarian Threat. The North Korean model is rather stable and it is what all states may be said to aspire to even if they think otherwise. The boot may indeed stamp on the human face forever.
Getting back to the original topic, at No Treason Josh Sabotta points out to me some amusing links about the inter-fascist split, both during The Big One and today. Some interesting things to point out include Tristan Torriani’s reference to “the genocide perpetrated against Slavs in the name of Marxism and Bolshevism” while ignoring the one perpetrated against them by Nazis and his attempt at claiming minority-victim status that thankfully failed for Italians in the past. Judging by his last name I am likely more related to Richard McCulloch, but despite that and the Anglophile mild bigotry I share with John Derbyshire (even against my own Catholic Irish ancestors, though it is fading with my old Whigness), I’ll have to side with Torrianni and Rienzi. McCulloch’s main problem with Southern Europeans (Torrianni uses the term IIB, or Italian-Iberian-Balkan) is that they will breed with Northern Europeans and bring about the extinction of the more distinctive types. As someone who agrees with Assman that the world-center of hotness is nearer to the Mediterranean than Sweden (though I’m open to women of all races and willing to prove it on camera given a suitably pun-filled title), I find his restrictions unacceptable. Though I’m a big proponent of secession and panarchy/intentional communities (which seasteading should help if it works out) racial separatists often seem to ignore how marginal their viewpoint is and don’t consider the fact that there will be a lot of white people like me who want to live in mixed areas. I want them to leave, and I’d like the option to leave, but I don’t want to be forced to leave with them. A fortunate exception is Michael H. Hart (maybe it’s the result of his malevolent Southern European/Ashkenazi Jewish genes!) who proposes dividing the U.S into white, black and mixed thirds. Aside from where our large number of Hispanics fit in, I think his proportions are off and I’m interested in a much higher degree of division on numerous factors, but it’s a start.
The other link from Sabotta was on the Italian military in the Far East. The alliance between European fascists and Japanese rather than Chinese Nationalists strikes me as rather arbitrary (kind of like the Italian alliance with pre-Anschluss Austria and then it’s Nazi German rival), and the fact that they were the only side with a major non-white element really makes the claim that they carried the banner of the White Race seem ridiculous (as does all the harm they did to other white people). Like I said before, it is only through willful stupidity that Hitler’s cheerleaders today can continue considering him a hero. As Robert Lindsay put it, nationalism/racism rots the brain. So why do I even bother with this stuff rather than reacting like someone threw a diseased rat my way? Like Ross Douthat said, when you’re on the fringe you tend to cease caring worrying about other fringe-types. It’s the respectable center that actually has power and causes the problems and the possibility of these people gaining any power is slim enough that I can dismiss the consequences.
February 1, 2008 at 5:38 am
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February 1, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I’m really grateful for your latest batch of posts, in particular your links to sites that I would normally hurry right past; for example, anything to do with racialism or the genetic determination of IQ, the latter dead horse having been quite thoroughly beaten by Sailor and others. I use Entitled to an Opinion as a switchboard to the best of the web and return to try to get a handle on what you’ve directed us to. I can now understand why there are large gaps in your production; this is not the typical half-assed blog.
I had seen comments by Prozium on Taki’s site and pretty much dismissed them as untypical of such dreck only because they weren’t in all caps. I’m glad you brought the Odessa site to our attention, because I have come to trust your judgement in matters that would normally seem to be beneath contempt. If one isn’t holding up traffic, I see little harm in taking a good long look at a grizzly traffic accident as one moves by. How anyone could posit the superiority of the white race after about 1917 is something I cannot and will not understand.
February 1, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Thanks. I’ve got other posts I’m thinking of making, but I’m swearing off doing another one today. I’ll try to avoid issues of libertarianism and racism for a little while now since I’ve yacked enough about that.
I think most of humanity throughout most of history has been depraved in the Hobbesian sense. Then things started looking up and white people got the ideas of progress and Whig history before they all went insane around WW1. I think a lot of racists imagine they can go back to the way things used to be, but on this issue I’m with Brink Lindsey: the past is the past and isn’t coming back.
February 1, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I’m not a white supremacist. I hate all versions of liberalism. This includes American conservatism. Anything is preferable to what we have now. So huzzah for Jim Crow. Yay for Fascism. Go Communism. I’m cheering for Islam in Europe.
February 2, 2008 at 2:37 pm
So would you support a multiracial/multicultural fascist state here?
February 3, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Indeed Prozium does. He is not a democrat at all. If you hang around hardcore White nationalists long enough, you start to see a lot of them growing sick of democracy and arguing for something else. Racialism has often been this way. If you study Weimar Germany, the rise of the Nazis and many other Weimar movements was infused with a growing hatred of democracy embodied in the Weimar. Hitler actually came to power on the program of ending democracy once and for all and it was a big seller.
BTW, there is a lot of racial separatism on the Far Left too, say US Maoists. A lot of them are proposing a Black state in the South and some are proposing a Hispanic state in the West. No White state, as we might expect. I think this is absolutely sickening and shows how these Far Left types in some ways share views with Far Right racist White Nationalists.
This sort of treason is across the board in the Western Far Left. They also cheer on the treasonous secession of the Lakota (which is not even legal according to Lakota laws and is more about Russel Means than anyone else). In New Zealand, they are cheering on the attempted secession of some Maori communities from the state. Some of them have even been arrested for conspiracy to state an armed insurrection. The Lunatic White Left is behind them all the way. I would argue that through supporting out and out treason and also by fomenting obvious hatred for Whites, the Western Left has dug its own grave. No wonder most sane US Whites care nothing about them.
My position, which is probably hypocritical but I don’t care, is that the Amerindians and Chicanos have no right to secede. We beat both of them fair and square and stole their land fair and square too, and now it’s all over. Blacks and Chicanos do not form any sort of nation with rights of secession anyway. We Marxists have rules about what constitutes a nation with rights to secession, and we support or oppose secession on that basis. I will grant Hawaii a right to secede but my uncle who lives there says almost no one other than native Hawaiians supports it, as most are profiting quite well from being a US state.
The saner Puerto Ricans also realize that independence means big time loss of money. I actually advocate cutting most of those US territories loose as they are nothing but a drag on the nation for the most part. I don’t care if they don’t want to secede. Some lazy young adults don’t want to move away from home either as they have too good of a thing going. Some need a bit of a boot too. Micheal Hart is associated with Amren. The fact that he is proposing something so militant shows how radical Amren really is.
February 3, 2008 at 12:40 pm
This “genocide of the Slavs” thing is boilerplate anti-Communism and usually has a heavy admixture of anti-Semitism as well. Further, almost all of them supported the Czarist system. I have already pointed out that Stalin lowered the death rate in Russia by 2/3. Therefore, Czarist Russia circa 1913 was killing 3 times as many Russians per capita as the Soviets. The reduction in the death rate began very quickly after the Bolshevik takeover and was already readily observable by the mid-1920’s.
What is strange for the “Stalin the killer” crowd is that the lowering of the death rate increased tremendously as Stalin took over. Whereas the Bolsheviks were saying maybe 750,000 Russians a year in the 1920’s, but the 1930’s and even 1940’s Stalin was saving up to 1-2 million a year. That this occurred at the same time as famines, purges and horrible world wars is all the more remarkable and highlights the world-shattering humanitarian achievement of Stalin.
It’s true at least 1.6 million were killed by Stalin, but a number had taken up arms against the state and others were working with the Nazis in the 1930’s to plot to attack the USSR and in the 1940’s, they were actually fighting alongside the Nazis. William Hearst was a Nazi and Solzhenitsyn was a fascist sympathizer.
Further, as you note, the Nazis killed 27 million Slavs in 3 years and the Commie “Slav genocide” killed ~1.6 million over 32 years. As you note, WN’s are silent on the former and have logorrhea on the latter. One suspects that maybe they don’t have the best Slav interests at heart. I would also like to point out that hardly any Russians today regard the Bolsheviks as perpetrators of some “Slav genocide”. This “Slav genocide” thing is almost always married to religion in “genocide of 20-110 million Russian Christians”, which is truly absurd.
There is a nasty anti-Semitic undercurrent to all of this in that supposedly a bunch of evil Jews decided to slaughter all these Russian Christian gentiles due to their evil Jewish hatred of gentiles and Christians. This crap comes out of the rightwing Eastern Orthodox Church and rightwing East European nationalists – especially Ukrainians, many of whom were and are Nazi sympathizers. Just to help you decode some of this crap.
February 3, 2008 at 1:11 pm
TGGP,
I think that would be a step up the ladder – so yes. Something needs to be done about the stupidity of the American voter.
February 29, 2008 at 1:35 am
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